TO THE MACHETES WIELDING MURDERERS OF AVIJIT AND BABU

By Bhaskar|April 7th, 2015|Activism, bangalee freethinker, Bangladesh, Human Rights, International, Mukto-Mona, Politics, Religion, Society, Terrorism|24 Comments

I am placing some oft repeated questions before the murderers of Avijit and Babu and the supporters of those murderers. I hope that instead of using machetes they will use keyboard this time to answer the questions. It appears that the Bangladeshi Islamists are not capable to take part in any intellectual discourse pertaining to Islam. They kill those who have different opinion. Let me hope that it will be different this time.

Though all the questions are applicable to all religions, except the first four, rest questions are mainly directed to Islam for better comprehension of Bangladeshi Islamists.

• As per three major religions, all pious Christians, Muslims and Hindus after death will go to ‘heaven’, ‘bahist’ and ‘swarga’. Accepting the existence of ‘heaven’, ‘bahist’ and ‘swarga’, can it happen that a pious Hindu goes to ‘bahist’ after death? Can a pious Muslim go to ‘swarga’ after death? How can one be objectively sure to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to that question?
• All religions control humans with dos and don’ts. If these are to make good human beings, then why the dos and don’ts of all religions are not identical?
• Islam claims to be the best religion. Hindus and Christians also claim that their religion is the best. Under this situation who is the impartial judge to give verdict as to which religion is best? Why is it a never ending quarrel between Muslims, Hindus and Christians?
• If Bangladeshi Islamists approve killing of non-Muslims, do they not allow non-Muslims to kill Muslims wherever possible?
• “Mohammad was the Prophet of Allah – so says Qur’an and Qur’an is the revelation from Allah – so said Mohammad.” Why Islam cannot escape from this circular fallacy?
• Islam has been in Bangladesh mainly since 500 to 900 years. What socio-economic improvement Islam has caused to Bangladeshi Muslims in past centuries?
• Islamists propagates hatred towards the followers of other religions. Why this hatred is required for Islam? How Islam can be holy and sacred if it hates fellow human beings of other religions?
• Islamists claim that Islam is at the core of all sciences. If it is so, why all ‘Ulema’ and ‘Hujurs’ could not become famous scientists?
• Islam propagates ‘bahist’ and ‘dozokh’ to compel followers to behave in a particular way. How can that particular way of behavior be sacrosanct? How keeping beard is holy? How killing non-Muslims can be sacred?
• Islam has created a specific power group in ‘Ulema’ as custodians of religion. Why Islam cannot be self sustaining? Is it an immature dogma and needs custodians for safety and security?

When knowledge is belief-dependent, it becomes stagnant and reactionary. Belief has to change with the ever expanding body of our knowledge. To me, however, all religions are nothing but belief-dependent knowledge and rituals. Religions are unreasoning of human beings of ancient and medieval age. If religions were to make good humans, then they have miserably failed to do so. Human society has progressed so much today that we surely don’t need any religion to become good human beings. Butchering fellow humans (having different opinion) in public is no act of good men and the scriptures which approve this are Criminal Manifestos only.

Bhaskar

Ayatul,
For selecting ‘Natural Selection’, it was not Muhammod (in the guise of Allah) either. Hindus are followers of hundreds of Gurus. Muhammod was a 1400 years old Guru of Muslims. He stopped the coming of any further Gurus for Muslims by self declaring him to be last prophet.. Otherwise Muslims would have similar situation like stupid Hindus today.
Bhaskar

Mukulshab,
If Ayatul equated me with ‘machete wielding murderer’ psychologically, then he equated posing of some questions with committing of murder. Ayatul had responded like a brain dead “Kath Mulla”.
Muktar Ahmed Mukul

Ayatul,
Sorry for late reply. I did not write the post. So you cannot equate me with psychological “machete wielding murderers”. What is psychological about it? However, one point is clear that you don’t want to contest the “machete wielding murderers” at intelectual level and encourage them for more onesided physical mischief. Why don’t you tell that you are a supporter of “machete wielding murderers”. That will be much easier for us to understand your psychology.
Muktar Ahmed Mukul

Who created Allah? If He has been there all along, ‘Natural Selection’ has also been there all along.
ayatul

I want to know who selected ‘Nature’ to do ‘Natural Selection’. And, I know its not Guru Nanak of course.
ayatul

I am not confused at all. It is an unfortunate irony that you are able to understand everything, but, miss out on such simple sentences that I have made. I have equated you with these “machete wielding murderers”- both of you are playing the dangerous game of “instigating the other”. You do that psychologically and they do it physically. both of you are equally clear on what you want to achieve – spread mischief on earth. For me both of you are same. You abuse them and they rip you apart.
Sandeep Singh Bajwa

Ayatul., read up on Natural Selection and evolution. Once after the big bang earth was conducive to life (with oxygen and water) the life evolved through natural selection. Guru Nanak (who is not a God) told me!
Bhaskar

Ayatul Islam,
Sorry for late response. You wrote “You are an athiest person, i can see but of a different kind. Otherwise most of them say that humans have evolved from apes.” I actually joked when I wrote “God created Christians, Allah created Muslims, Bhagawan created Hindus .” You could not get that and equated God, Allah & Bhagawan. Do you know the meaning of “God=Allah=Bhagwan (literally) created me?” You cannot associate Allah with God or Bhagawan. Your such expression can make you an apostate from Islam. Machetes wielding Islamists are moving around. Be watchful.
Muktar Ahmed Mukul

Why don’t you understand sarcasm? Elaborate on “But, brother your way and the way these ‘Bengali Islamists’ have taken up is the same. You do it with the pen in hand and they do it without the pen in hand. for me both are same I dont see a difference.” you are a confused person.
ayatul islam

Assalamaualaikum brother, I repent in having used some words which i should not have used. esp for the creation Allah has done with his own hands (I am talking about MAN as you are already aware) and as you have quite intelligently answered it.

God=Allah=Bhagwan (literally) created me. He created you also. And, just because you can think (sanely) and you are breathing you think about ‘free mind’. What will an insane person do? How do you help an insane person understand your state of mind (or ideology ) and support you in your cause?

You are an athiest person, i can see but of a different kind. Otherwise most of them say that humans have evolved from apes. But, brother your way and the way these ‘Bengali Islamists’ have taken up is the same. You do it with the pen in hand and they do it without the pen in hand. for me both are same I dont see a difference.
Bhaskar

God created Christians, Allah created Muslims, Bhagawan created Hindus and so on and so forth. I am not sure who created atheists and animists. You will be happy if I tell that Allah created all. But how can I make you happy when other denominations will not agree with that. Anyway what is your opinion in this matter?
ayatul islam

what is your idea on – who created humans?
Bhaskar

Khalid’s blab la contains almost double words than my post. He is an uninformed and misinformed person. Sorry for your confidence on somebody else.
ayatul islam

some answers have been provided by Khalid just under your comments. I hope you have already read them.
Bhaskar

You seem to be happy after three assasinations.
You only know the negative meaning of the word “CRITICIZE”. Criticize also means to assess, analyze, evaluate and appraise. Mukto Mona’s assessment, analysis, evaluation and appraisal bring only bad meaning for you.
You say free mind means ‘dialogue’. Do you beleive in this or believe in a close mind and machetes? Find it out for yourself.
Bhaskar

Further to my last reply I add your remark “Hindus do not believe in life after death, they believe in Karma, reincarnation.” – Fine; then what about Christians? How do you account for Hindus’ Swargo?
You tell “Humans life is sacred, regardless of religion or race.” – Some abrogated Qur’anic verses of Macci period must be your basis for such statement. But you better know that only some concession has been given in Qur’an to people of Book. Again your hatred towards Jews goes against Qur’anic teaching.
Bhaskar

Does Christianity claim to be a ‘complete way of life’ with same intensity as that of Islam? Surely not and there is your answer. A ‘complete way of life’ with poor socio-economic condition through centuries tells about the hollowness of claim
Bhaskar

You said “Peace and security of the world needs Islam.” – You have very clearly explained yourself in this short line.
I wrote “When knowledge is belief-dependentote, it becomes stagnant and reactionary.” – You have made yourself an example of this.
Don’t talk of Dr Abdus Salam and his reference to Qur’an. His country (Pakistan) does not consider him to be a Muslim.
If you have known the history of compilation of Qur’an, you would not have asked me to read 10 verses before and after any particular verse.
You further wrote “The impartial judge are you yourself. But you have to show the impartiality by doing an un-biased research on all 3 religions.” – Can you take this responsibility and give an impartial judgement? Try out your own surmon and see what is the result.
Why you did not respond to my question “Why Islam cannot escape from this circular fallacy?”
You are an Islamist in the guise of a moderate Muslim and that is more dangerous.
Mahoma

Im from south america…. so i can talk to you about point 6.

6. Another very weak argument. South America is very Christian, what socio-economic improvement Christianity has caused to south american christians in past centuries?

Christianity is not forced religion… im not religious myself. They are open to criticism also allow you to choose!!!

socio-economic improvement: by religion in the social part… has help people to undertand that dosnt matter what religion you are in you still a human that have rights. Also promote tolerance between religions. You dont see people killing each other in south america because one is muslin and the other jew or christian. You dont see people attaquing each other because one make a critic or even a jouke regardin religion. You can say werever you want and no one have or think to have the right to kill you if you dont agreed.
you can not see how all this help trough have tolerance and respect from others in the economic field? of course it does!

It is absolute justice and equality which is responsible for socio-economic improvements. not religion.
Religion is part of the culture, justice and equality are determinated here in Bangladesh by a religious matter or not? Thas why womans are treated like 2nd class citizens.

And about the coran… it supoust to be the word of god… so how can be so miss interpretated in so many places? action is caracter… call non muslim to all the ones who are doing all those terrible things is like to try to hide the evidence. All good guys are muslims… all the bad guys are not.

ACTION IS CARACTER!
Mohammed

please answer the questions… you look like one of those knowledgeble muslim…
ayatul islam

I feel pity for the author of this post to have posted us such good analytical questions but, miserably failing to find answers to these questions. Had the author really been of ‘mukto mon or have free mind’ then he would not be beating around the bush seeking answers. the response to such a forum is apparent (from the last three assasinations). free mind does not mean criticizing, it means ‘dialogues’ and then respecting the outcome of the dialogues. the outcome should not be in ‘intersect’ with someone elses’ ideology. the question can be readily answered by any knowledgeble muslim. but the question is – will these mukto mons stop after getting the answers or will they still keep putting fuel to the fire more to see the reaction of the society and then label the society as intolerant?
Rob

“The problem with religion, because it’s been sheltered from criticism, is that it allows people to believe en masse what only idiots or lunatics could believe in isolation.” (Sam Harris)
KhalidS

1. Hindus do not believe in life after death, they believe in Karma, reincarnation. Quran clearly states that Those who believe in the Oneness of God, and do good deeds will have no fear at the Day of judgment, in the first chapter God says, He is the Master of the day of Judgement, therefore it is He who decides who goes where, it is only He who knows, not some radicals, extremists or some mullah.
2. Basic and major Dos and Don’t of all religions are the same. It is a misconception and a flawed argument that religion controls people with Dos and Don’ts. Religion gives you the basic guidelines, same as traffic rules and wardens give you guidelines and then warnings, you follow them you stay safe on the road, when you stop following them you have chaos in traffic. Your argument is very weak about why they are not all identical! If they were, what is there to guarantee that then you would have criticized why they are not suited to ones region or race respectively.
3. The impartial judge are you yourself. But you have to show the impartiality by doing an un-biased research on all 3 religions. I know it takes a long time to do that. But hey, just being an atheist doesn’t mean you keep criticizing religion without any kind of investigation whatsoever from your part, and by investigation i mean their own religious Book. And why the never ending quarrel, well, if you cannot see the politics in religion, then it is not religion’s fault. People in power have always used religious bigots for their own vested interests.. And the religious bigots use the ignorant masses to further their own vested interests. Why always religion? because it is a soft target.
4. Yes they do allow, which is a shame. Humans life is sacred, regardless of religion or race.
5. I don’t know what they teach in Bangladeshi schools, but whatever they do, is really twisted about Islam. Muhammad pbuh is the Last law bearing messenger of Allah, and Quran is the Book which was revealed in 23 years to Muhammad pbuh from God. Which part do you not understand. I am assuming you wanted Quran to speak for itself, and even if It did, you still wouldn’t have believed. The fallacy that you are looking for is just not there my friend.
6. Another very weak argument. South America is very Christian, what socio-economic improvement Christianity has caused to south american christians in past centuries? India is very much Hindu, I don’t think I need to say more about socio-economic improvements there. North Korea is a Godless state, can you show me any socio-economic improvements there? The same goes for all states with Muslim majority or Islamic countries. So you see, it is not religion, its politics and corruption which is responsible for the dire state of affairs in such countries. It is absolute justice and equality which is responsible for socio-economic improvements. not religion.
7. Islamist’s propagate hatred towards followers of other religions, completely agree on this, which is a shame. Islam does not require hate nor does it preaches hate. Please be specific next time, a generalization of Islamists with Islam is very dangerous. It is strange you want to believe the negativism about Islam through Islamists as real Islam, but you will never investigate yourself whether is it even true what they say about Islam, or just hearsay.
8. Another very childish and weak argument. Why everyone working at NASA doesn’t becomes an astronaut? Look, Ulema and Hujurs as you call them are suppose to be spiritual leaders, not leaders of sciences. But just fyi, Professor Dr. Muhammad Abdus Salam was a nobel prize winner in physics for his unification theory which laid the foundation for the higgs boson later on. He was a devout and practicing Muslim. And when it was asked what inspired him towards this theory, he said, the Holy Quran. Btw, there are only 2 former astronauts on the NASA committee.
9. Another very weak and baseless arguments. Beard has nothing to do with being holy or with Islam. and Islam doesn’t require non-muslims deaths. If you are referring to some verses from the Quran, then instead of misleading the ignorant masses just like ISIS, al-qaeda and your islamists do, read at least 10 verses before and after the verse in question, and you will get all your answers. Atheists and Islamists love to cherry pick quranic verses. In the information age where everything is just under your fingertips, it shouldn’t be difficult to investigate unbiased. Alas, you still wont do it.
10. Islam does not need security. Peace and security of the world needs Islam. But not the Islam of ISIS, Jamat islami or alqaeda, they have only tarnished and mutilated Muhammad pbuh’s image and teachings of Islam in the worse way possible.

ps: Knowledge is not belief dependent. If you want to criticize Islam, fine, but at least provide some evidence from Quran when doing so. instead of general statements born out of lawlessness in a country and blaming it to a religion. Atheist are always about evidence this and evidence that, but they conveniently believe everything coming out of ISIS or Jamaat Islami’s mouths and acts as Islam, and ignore the Book altogether which shows the complete opposite of what ISIS and Jamaat Islami are.
Marisha

They are nothing but cowards and low life. They wouldn’t have the intelligence to answer any of your questions. Islam is not a religion it’s a cover these days for criminals who can’t speak for themselves. World wide people are waking up to the fact that their Allah was no prophet, prophets don’t advocate the killing of children which these scumbags specialise in.

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